I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm sure these people are very smart and have written lots of good code. I'm sure they're very nice and never kick their dogs. I'm just tired of people defending them as cypherpunks. They aren't cypherpunks. Neither has come out against GAK. They both carefully avoid commiting to any statement. They want us to think they're "one of us" but they don't want to be pinned down because they are double dipping on both sides of the fence. Blaze even does "research" on GAK. See his web page for evidence. Also the TIS report. The fact that he found a bug in clipper doesn't change this. It proves it. He works for the government, via att. Weinstein is actively promoting GAK by working at the company that the government has chosen to bring it to you now that att has failed. WHY IS EVERYONE SO QUICK TO DEFEND THESE PEOPLE? DO THEY HAVE YOU ALL SO IMPRESSED WITH THEIR MASTERS DEGREES THAT YOUR AFRAID TO LOOK CLOSELY? No, I did not post the RSA patch. I wouldn't touch any of that code with a 5 meter pole. To the guy who says write code: I've written plenty of code. Clue: your probably running some of it right now. I'm anonymous because I've seen FIRST HAND what the att lawyers do to people who tell the wrong kind of truth. Want me to be a 'nym. OK. s/ Bill Gates (he has good lawyers that can handle att and netscape)