Tim, could you pass this on? If not just can it. thanks, keith ------ This is in reference to postings by Patrick May and Hal Finney on controlling what kids see on the net. My oldest daughters are mid 20s, the youngest is preteen. The older ones were prodigious and early readers. When they were growing up the house was full of Penthouse or worse (we rented rooms to university students) and they had free access to a large collection of the *worst* of the underground comics, stuff by R. Crum and S. Clay Wilson. If you have never see these, perhaps one title, _Captain Pissgums and his Pervert Pirates_ will give you the flavor. They read *all* of them, plus all of my old collection of Mad Magazines, many SF books, and during those years I read them the Tolkien books--twice. We did not have TV for most of those years, so they did a lot more reading than the average kids. At the time (early to mid 70s) it never occurred to me to try to control what they were reading. They turned out fine, I consider them responsible adults. However, there is one story from those days which shows that they *were* influenced by such an environment. Once on their way home from grade school (5th and 3rd I think), they were accosted by a flasher. Now, they *knew* about flashers--from the comic books. Was this a traumatic experience to find one in (so to speak) the flesh? Nope. I found out about it when I heard them grousing that the flasher had bugged out when they asked him to stay while they rounded up a bunch of their friends to see the flasher! If parents want to *try* to keep their kids away from certain material on or off the nets, I don't have a problem with that. But as far as I have ever been able to determine, there is not much point in doing so. I asked Tim to post this for me because at the moment I don't need any more problems :) -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."