Hi, Brock, Dave - the URL lost a hyphen when it got folded; the two halves are: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/ la-na-media20dec20,1,3657594.story?coll=la-headlines-nation Meanwhile, not only is this yet another reminder of the fallacy of the right-wing rants about liberal press bias, but President Bush has been asserting that he's told Congress a dozen times that he's doing this, and none of the Congresscritters who were informed have seen fit to tell the public either, so the President and NYTimes have a lot of unindicted co-conspirators. Another LA Times story http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/ la-na-spy20dec20,1,4766037.story?coll=la-headlines-nation reports that the main difference between Bush's authorization and the powers already granted under the 1978 FISA laws is that FISA has the Constitutional requirement for a court to find "probable cause" for issuing warrants, while Bush's order allows an NSA shift supervisor to decide there's "a reasonable basis" for wiretapping, even if there's not enough evidence for a FISC rubber stamp. Bill Stewart ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen@leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]