I'll add a few comments about the "Java hype monster"... it seems a good way for people to make money off of computing in ways they haven't before (and in ways which probably won't work anyhow). A lot of the Java hype has been how one only needs a "network appliance" that logs in and uses remote applets which are instantly updated. Less risk of software piracy, more phone bills and network membership fees, of course. (Nevermind other risks added in this sort of system). It seems like a kind of cable-tv-for-the-internet. People will join a service that provides an array of applications. Network membership fees and phonebills... or maybe they'll use cable modems and it will be included with the cable bill on their JavaVision (tm) boxes? On the plud side, though: C never did standardize graphical interfaces. Notice most of the demos in the JDK are graphical? Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl@unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl@unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.