Hello! You say: "........... a very popular site could allow access only to domains (....foo.bar) that have paid instead of blocking those who have not, otherwise 'new' sites could circumvent it easily. On the other hand, a proxy server inside of an allowed domain would circumvent the allowing kind of scheme, at least for a while (until they found out about it). Great opportunities for hacking wars. Another payment scheme in use is to recieve passwords for closed Web pages by voice phoning to an expensive number........." First of all, if they block on domains; then it is only a matter of stealing the domain. The DNS naming system is a joke for this. Say, you want to steal my own domain; allyn.com so you can go into the expensive pay per view web site which will allow allyn.com. All you need to do is to change your DNS reverse lookup records (the records which map your IP address to your name) so that when the web site does a reverse DNS lookup at IP address 100.200.3.4 (or whatever your real IP address is); it will return allyn.com. If you have your own name servers, this should be easy. Further; knowing the lack of security at Internic; you could probably go all the way and steal control of the actual domain. The password method is a joke. A bunch of hackers get together and chip in for the cost of one password. Then they share it. Or, the could resort to the old fashioned social engineering methods that have been long discussed in such forums as 2600 and other places. Of course, this all is for discussion purposes only. You have your own concience to live with. Can you really look at yourself in the mirror and sleep at night knowing that you stole something? I certainly can't. Once I accidentally walked out of the corner store with a candy bar when I was a little boy without paying for it. When I reached the house, I discovered that I had the candy bar in my hand and I **RAN** crying back to the store and put it back on the shelf. Mark