At 12:35 PM 1/25/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote:
At 5:55 PM 1/25/96, Rich Salz wrote:
Up until recently (18-30 months ago) NSA employees were only allowed to identify themselves as employees of DoD. It was common knowledge, that unspecific references to Fort Meade meant NSA; and if you saw a P.O. from Procurement Office, Fort Meade, it meant the NSA was buying it.
When I attended Crypto '88, nearly 8 years ago, at least several of the NSA attendees had "National Security Agency" on their name badges. It may be that run-of-the-mill employees still maintain the fiction for public consumption that they are DOD employees, but such was not the case in 1988 at "Crypto."
(Recall the "NSA Employees Manual" which 2600 liberated, and which Grady Ward then redistributed. It had some tips, as I recall, on what employees should tell the curious.)
When I visited the D.C. area in early '91 or '92 (I forget which year it was), I stopped by Fort Meade to see the place. The sign out front prominently said "National Security Agency," complete with the NSA seal (an eagle lifting a hacker up in its talons).
Also, much other evidence points to the NSA having "gone public" much farther back in time than 18-30 months ago. Former DIRNSAs on the MacNeil-Lehrer Newshour were always introduced as former directors of the NSA. As early as the mid-80s, as I recollect. I think Bamford's book pretty much outed the name, though it was widely known before that, of course.
(I attended my freshman year of high school in Langley, VA. Through the woods on one side of the school was CIA headquarters. At that time, 1967, it was still only labelled as something like "Department of Transportation Road Testing Facility." Everyone knew what it really was, of course. Rick Smith, on this list, was a classmate of mine and can attest to this. The CIA "went public" in the early 70s, the NSA in the early 80s, the NRO in the early 90s...I sense a pattern. This means the ultra-secret ERO (Extraterrestrial Research Organization) will be outed in the opening years of the next decade.)
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