see: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/0,2326,201980727-14191,00.html Paul may be a kook to some, but he has the courage to stand against the forces who wish to take all our liberties --or should I say, those few we have been permitted to keep. Is it only a coincidence that the Social Security Admistration published the new requirements for the national ID in Section 666 of the code? "...and I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." [RV 6-8] "and he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a markin their right hand, or in their foreheads; [Rv13-16] "and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name; [Rv13-17] "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six Hundred threescore and six" [Rv13-18] OK, Mitch, it says it all in Revelation --and it is happening. See the article on defending yourself from Federal conspiracy charges which was posted to the list a few minutes ago by anonymous. I always define conspiracy as three guys getting drunk at a bar while discussing the idea of robbing the bank across the street. one passes out and the other two go across the street and attempt to rob the bank; all three are tried and convicted: two for robbing the bank; and three for conspiracy to rob the bank. so, be careful who you associate with; in Turkey you just might get rolled over.... attila out... one more time.