Thanks to Greg for the excellent summary and analysis. Responses by Peter Junger and his attorneys, those involved with Bernstein and Karn, and others on the technical and legal interpretation would be welcome. On the interplay among the three cases: We have heard that there was meeting in DC of the three teams with the US side. And that there may have been a report on this meeting at the recent DC security conference. Is there a public report available? Note: Greg meant to quote Judge Gwin on source code: "all but *un*intelligible to most people." The contrast between Patel and Gwin remind of the campaign of Wassenaar members to claim relaxation of crypto controls while not truly doing so, as in the recent Irish and US press release deceptions. More are expected as the US trade and crypto czars make their global rounds to arrange overt-covert deals for marketing munitions. The complicity of the banks and giant corps is not surprising with their legacy of doing just that -- as one defense expert says, expect ex-gov crypto watchdogs to aid the market titans to lure government buyers while peddling cheap knockoffs to voters. Amazing that the NYT sent up that trial balloon for government access to key strokes in lieu of GAK. Who's pushing that, working on the technology?