Yeah, I heard that she had to do some gymnastics to explain how gay male porn degrades women, too. ;-) Is this true, or am I also a homophobe? ;-) I hate Dworkins arguments. There are plenty of pro porn lesbians/feminists. At least, I've read stuff by several, (bright/Annie sprinkle, etc) and I've read some stuff by various porn stars that call themselves feminists... Identifying feminism with censorship annoys me...I wish I had some data on how many women who call themselves feminists are pro censorship... if its the majority, I guess I'd have to allow it... ;-) The problem for intellectuals is how to protect 'erotica' and somehow squash 'pornography.' The difference is amusing to me. One mans erotica is another womans porn... All right thinking people would agree that the only thing that could be wrong in the sex trade is coercion, be it of women or children or horses or hamsters... I have some problem with the idea of the coerciveness of the 'free market' though, as does Dworkin, so I guess we do have some things in common... I'd like to know that no one is in the trade to pay for a drug habit...of course, I think that drugs, like food and shelter and air, should be free... But I'm a nut. ;-) Jay