C'punks, Well, I think we've beaten the "natural rights vs. legislated rights" horse too long. Since Eric raised my consciousness about the purpose of this list, hopefully I can help put this old nag to merciful death. For the purposes of this list, it is *irrelevant* whence right arise. Whether "privacy" is a right, a privilege or whatever, Cypherpunks want it. We are in the business of securing privacy by whatever means are practical. To a large degree this means via technology, but we'll graciously accept political solutions if they work. No matter what side you of the "natural rights" question you are on, as a Cypherpunk, you still want privacy. Please let's drop this divisive, time-consuming debate and get back to the code-writing work at hand. With courage and technology, we can have the privacy we want irrespective of what "they" have in mind for us. S a n d y