Assume Tim's point is valid, that the owner of a vehicle may 'fine' a 'borrower' of their property for violations of the owners intent (eg follow the public speed laws). Since I own my private vehicle then I have the 'right by owner' to give myself amnesty for any speeding violations I might commit. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------