I think the T-shirt thing is a nice idea, and I think that the "Big Brother Inside" thing is also a nice idea, but I liked them better when they were separate. Wearing a shirt that suggests "big brother inside" seems like it might send the wrong message. Dunno if there are enough of us in the world for it to be worth worrying about, but some of us Cypherpunks just laugh at L and XL T-shirt sizes; best fit for me is a XXXL-Tall. I might order an XL shirt to hang on my wall, but it's unlikely it'll ever hang on me. :) The "celebrating 400 years .." thing sounds wonderful. Would make a neat poster/flyer, too. -- Greg Broiles greg@goldenbear.com Golden Bear Computer Consulting +1 503 465 0325 Box 12005 Eugene OR 97440 BBS: +1 503 687 7764