Time to insert a cautionary thought into this whole Info-war HERFsteria: I'm just an EDP Security Specialist with 10 years experience in Mainframe, PC and Network systems, and not some great expert with an international reputation to protect, so take this for what it's worth. However, I get the impression that there are some pretty smart people on these lists. You know, the kind of people who, when you say, "someone just did the impossible," will figure out how they did it to solve the mystery. And there are also some people who like to look pretty smart by going around and saying the kind of things that those pretty smart people figured out, in order to enhance their reputation and keep their audiences worried. And there might even be people who'd be inclined to go out and try those things that the pretty smart people figured out. So, let's say that some public wanna-be-smart decides that they need to scare people with stories of evil things that might be done, and so they post a story of how they've already been claimed to be done, just to see how the really-are-smart folks respond. And then they go and take all that free stuff and make a bundle off of it, and maybe hackers use it, and, well, you get the idea. Now, I'm not saying anyone on these lists does any of this stuff, 'cuz I don't know. But when it gets to speculation, well, maybe lets just say the bogeyman did it, with help from his evil hacker friend Foobar. It's a lot safer, and maybe just as true. ----- $0.02 - Reg Harbeck (URL: http://www.freenet.calgary.ab.ca/~rharbeck)