The cypherpunks list degenerated a long time ago to the point where I have no idea why more than 500 people are still receiving it every day. As part of cleaning up the email system on toad.com, I plan to shut down the cypherpunks-unedited list, which receives all the traffic sent to cypherpunks@toad.com, within the next week or two. I suggest that anyone who wants to talk or listen about encryption should send mail to: cryptography-request@wasabisystems.com with a one-line plain text message saying "subscribe". This will begin the process of subscribing them to the Cryptography mailing list, which is edited to remove irrelevant postings and to keep the volume down and the discussion focused. (I tried to do this with the cypherpunks list some years ago, but was shouted down by people who complained of "censorship". So I just left it unedited, with the expectable result that serious discussions deserted it.) If you were subscribed to the cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com list because you like to collect spam, talk with me personally and I'll see if I can help you. I have a large collection :-). The old "cypherpunks-announce" list was superseded many months ago by "meetingpunks@cryptorights.org". Cypherpunks-announce is no longer in existence. There remains a single encryption-related mailing list on toad.com, "coderpunks" which is for people who write code. John Gilmore --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo@wasabisystems.com