Declan, I finally realized what you were talking about when you wrote this: DM wrote: # # [Vatis'] reported comments are a little, well, unusual. This was apparently what you were referring to: Tim May receives NIPC internal notes: # # Michael Vatis, deputy assistant director and chief of the Federal # Bureau of Investigation's National Infrastructure Protection Center # (NIPC) created February 26, 1998, told the Senate Judiciary # Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information June # 29 that 'crypto anarchists" see Washington's computers as "the final # exam, the ultimate challenge, the enemy which must be destroyed." # Agents are advised to seek out means of forcing these persons out of # the public debate. Notice the closing quotes on Vatis's testimony. I immediately read and attributed that last sentence to another voice. We are looking at an FBI agent's internal notes, recounting events. Who said this: # Agents are advised to seek out means of forcing these persons out of # the public debate. General Ashcroft, of course. Here, I'll combine it with the smoking gun: # Agents are advised to seek out means of forcing these crypto # anarchists out of the public debate. NIPC has been tasked to # assist in the take-down of a high-profile hacker terrorist at # the DefCon conference next week in Las Vegas. The take-down is # being planned for maximal public impact, as per AG Ashcroft's # memo of 24JUN01. Full assistance will be provided by NIPC. Plain # clothes agents will be at the conference to render assistance. Oh my gawd, he's a "terrorist"!!! ---- All that boring traffic Tim got.net, that is what most traffic is: boring. Don't believe my "traffic analysis"? Ask Tim what the SMTP headers say. You've got a major story on your hands. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Sat in your lap. Why didn't cypherpunks think of this virus? I guess we're not predatory, like the DOJ. "Watch carefully those you lend power to." ---Newt Gingrich