On dinsdag 15 oktober 1996 14:09, Roy M. Silvernail[SMTP:roy@sendai.scytale.com] wrote:
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In list.cypherpunks, everheul@NGI.NL writes:
BTW, some people on the cypherpunks list seem to think that you can't = fraude with a *voluntary* system. However, that is possible: when you do = not comply with the *agreed* rules of conduct then the phrase "fraude" = is appropriate. If the system is *voluntary* and I do not *agree* to participate, then I *cannot* be breaking any "rules".
Can you imagine what would happen if governments would (help to) set up = a system that has no safeguards at all, i.e. that could give criminals = all the anonimity and confidentiality they need? Governments can't = probably prevent criminals and the like to use encryption to stay out of = sight of law enforcement agencies, but they should not facilitate them = either. In the next few years all kinds of "standard" commerical = software will come on the market with all kinds of standard security in = it. I don't want criminals to be happy with Custom of The Shelf products = for security, let them work for their security.
Which they will, and presumably already do. Therefore, your proposal does not and cannot hamper criminals. Therefore, your proposal only hampers law abiding citizen-units' access to uncompromised crypto. I do not agree. For instance, the encryption possibilities of wordperfect, and MS-word are weak; my mail-system (ms-exchange) does not have any encryption at all. The security of these important Custom of The Shelf
That is correct. Sorry that the BTW-statement is so evident. Some people did not understand that if you *do* agree, then you *can* be breaking any rules... products can and will be enhanced..
No institution can expect compliance from a sector of society that, by definition, does not agree to or follow the social contract. Therefore, any and all such attempts to do so must be for the purpose of controlling those citizen-units that do abide the social contract. To claim otherwise is absurd. The point is that public available systems should *aid* not them in their criminal activities, let them search for alternatives. Compare it with the legislation we have here on the sell of guns. You sort of say: hey, that does not help cause criminals will get it somewhere. I say, that is true, but it will make their lifes more difficult, or maybe I should say less easy.
The bottom line is that law-abiding citizens = always have to give up some of their freedom to stop criminals (that is
why you have to have registration plates on your car, a lock on your = car, bicycle, house etc.). That is a fact of life; one I hate.
Registration plates do not "stop criminals". Locks do not "stop criminals" (although they might slow a criminal down). Neither will compromised crypto "stop criminals". But all the above impinge on my liberty. Am I to give up yet another freedom? Our system slows down criminals too, or maybe I'd better say does not speed
= them up. Locking my house and my car, certainly limits my freedom too because it gives me the risc of losing the key (happened a few times). Finding the middle of losing freedom by law-abiding citizens on the one hand and stopping criminals on the other hand is an important issue in any democracy. We believe our system gives a solution in which every democratic country on his own implement to their middle, without losing connectivity with countries that think otherwise.