hmmmm, I doubt carl johnson will claim he is innocent. or has he? the trial is only necessary if he doesn't plead guilty. depending on his lawyer & the evidence, that seems likely to me if he was involved. there aren't any cpunks with the resources to take on uncle sam, except maybe... <g> seriously, though, it's fun to fantasize. it would certainly be the trial of the century. better than unabomber & oj simpson combined. <g> that reminds me.. before they caught him I always thought the unabomber was probably on the cpunk list. I was quite surprised when his antitechnology rant came out. he's got the rant part down, but not the technology part!! at one time, kevin mitnick was on this list, rumor has it. probably many of the world's premiere hackers have been at one time or another.