Just as an aside, and perhaps a friendly warning :) We expect to complete the authorization issues on the current Hangar 18 cluster project the third week of June. At that point at least the current Hangar 18 lists (~200) and the SSZ lists (ie CDR and a couple of others) will be migrated to that format. We hope to have that migration completed by sometime in July. We currently expect to start with 80G of space and increase as needed. Additionaly we'll be moving from this ISDN to 384k SDSL in the Oct. time frame. At least at the start we will continue to support subscribers in the traditional sense. But once we have enough 9P users (there are drivers for many OS'es now) we can drop the traditional *nix interface (we'll probably do that when 90% of our users are via 9P). It's worth mentioning that we'll also be able to support NFS and SMB as well (though we will not make such resources universal/global in nature because of the various security issues, they also have very! limited support for transitive mounts). The general layout will be to mount the namespace on some local point of your choosing (eg /hangar18) and below that will be all the community resources. To participate in a list for example will be nothing more than editing a text file and dropping it in the appropriate dir (eg /hangar18/cypherpunks/submission) where it will then be moved over to a longer-lived location (eg /hangar18/cypherpunks/<date>). The propogation will be handled via 9P services. To access the resources one must either be a direct participant via tit-for-tat or else a tit-for-tat node will provide some sort of access via their own policies (eg $$ to the public or free to friends). The title will be the filename, the author the owner, and if you want to cc then it will be a cp with multiple targets, and each 'mail list' will not be aware of what other lists it was copied to (though you could certainly create a header like structure to share that info). -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------