At 05:30 PM 12/07/1997 -0700, Tim May wrote:
"The distinction is very narrow since those who call for abolition of the hate laws, at least in Germany, at the same time advocate expulsion of non-whites or the establishment of a dictatorship." is demonstrably false. There are civil rights groups in Germany calling for
Oh, and the claim we just saw from Peter Herngaard, that: the "abolition of the hate laws," and yet not arguing in favor of expulsion of non-whites or for the imposition of a dictatorship.
I think Peter's point was that most of the Germans who are calling for the abolition of the hate laws _are_ the hate groups, rather than civil liberties groups. Sure, there are a few Germans who think that free speech and assembly should mean free speech and assembly, and aren't part of hate groups, but the government isn't out persecuting them so they've got less incentive to make noise about it. Also, the folks with pure motives are arguing a pure issue, while the hatemongers get to combine their calls for the abolition of hate laws with calls for the expulsion of non-Aryans, use it for recruiting, and use it as a defense of their position.
The way to prevent a repeat of Germany's unfortunate detour into national socialism is to just not repeat it, to not let government gain the power to build extermination camps, raid houses at night on flimsy pretexts, mobilize industry, etc.
But Herr Non-Citizen-Unit May, ve're doink this for your own good. ...
There is also the very real psychological phenomenon of "forbidden fruit tasting sweeter." Many suspect the current resurgence of Nazism and skinhead ideologies (loosely speaking) in Germany has a lot to do with the thoughts being banned.
Certainly had a lot to do with kids becoming lefties in the 60s. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts@ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639