In <9611300437.AA05806@adsl-122.cais.com>, on 11/29/96 at 11:37 PM, Tim Scanlon <tfs@adsl-122.cais.com> said: ::(with apoligies to attila, who all this was NOT directed at) Tim Scanlon no, I didn't read it that way, Tim. thanx for the tag though! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- follow on: I am aware of the Dennings and their politics --and, I suspect like you, have no illusions that much of anything will change their opinions. Like many, she (I have never met him) appears as a gracious, intelligent individual. however, she certainly is a "find" for the Clinton team (who appear as fascist in their approach to crypto and gun control as Hitler). Bubba could never have created so exquisite a spokesman... 1935 will go down in history! For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the future! --Adolf Hitler in fact, protecting free speech through cryptography is even more important than gun control (not much, though --they go hand-in-hand) ...and, Bubba is writing new history. witness the infamous question #46 of a very real questionnaire given to all black-shirt Marine and Seal units --we all _know_ these units do not exist.... 46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government. this was a survey given at USMC 29 Palms, Pendleton, LeJuene, etc. I was aware of the survey _before_ it was given to my son --who _was_ a black-shirt NCO. The survey also included questions covering command and direction from UN officers on US soil, against our people. The Feds tried to pass it off as someones Masters research -a different person at different bases. Now, how does that information get passed around? am I preaching to the choir, yet? In truth, successful dictators are usually very popular. Their regimes are distinguished not by silence but by roaring crowds and festive rallies. Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, Juan Peron, Mao Zedong, and Fidel Castro all mastered the technique of amplifying their support, while reducing opposition to no more than private grumbles. ... --Tyranny Without Dictators, SOBRAN'S March 1996. and a made for television sorry excuse for an executive with his fingers on the football (which some claim has been taken away from him by the SS (notice the similarity in the initials) since the SS does not trust his cocaine violence. in other words, how about we spend the time productively, creating _intelligent_ critiques and opposition to the direct assault on The Bill of Rights by a pack of raving Federalists. it's the same old story: Adams, Hamilton, and Madison believed in all powerful central governments --in fact, they would have just as soon settled for an "American" king. ...they became the "Federalists." interesting --Jefferson, who is revered as the founder of the Democratic Party which opposed "Federalists," would not accept any responsibility for the tax and spend welfare state Democratic Party of today --he'd be a Conservative. we, and I mean all of us, who contribute the bulk of the "opinions" to cypherpunks gave the mainstream press the biggest possible hole to run straight over us, declaring us anarchists and wild-eyed fanatics. unless we as a group mend our ways, and turn out intelligent reasoning for the advance of cryptography as a mainstream way of life, we will be forever consigned not only to the dustbin, but subject to the ridicule of both the press and the government. None of us are above a little sarcasm --but let's get the vituperative effluent out of the system. do whatever you wish in private mail, but keep the profane rantings off the list. this goes for you, Dimitri; and "aga" too. meanwhile, Ms. Denning goes on shilling for the apocalypse... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMp/ulb04kQrCC2kFAQHkOgQAoWbQWUgVn69+o1qfuUIn8KqQ9LkiVyZl 6aQIXGrbajQ/0Zz7el3Lxg6Es43wKTevsyrwCHNbJYnZsRq3ezRzawSTisUWVv5t 3JtCK1hD6lcEGENmZaBIhc77ZXAyOkugoCzLQIO8+YhZCbBoTghxyfZcm0XqknMb T814uGQ+FeQ= =zlrH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----