At 12:39 PM 9/3/96 +0800, Enzo Michelangeli wrote:
The idea that rights and values can be "natural" is contradicted by several thousand years of history, during which absolutism or downright tyranny have been well more common than freedom.
The existence of foot binding in China is not evidence that women's feet have no particular natural shape.
The success of that misleading view in America, and by extension in most of the western countries, is largely due to the unfortunate influence of [...]
When one engineers bridge, designed according to one theory of materials physics, stands up, and another engineers bridge, designed according to a different theory of material physics, falls down, does that not suggest that the first engineer knows what he is talking about, and the second engineer does not?
In the real world, freedom is a by-product of a materially prosperous society (which is why capitalism generally produces free societies, but socialism does not).
First, you have this completely the wrong way around: Prosperity is the product of a free society. For example when the Dutch revolted from Spain, they were at first poorer than spain. Secondly there is ample counter evidence: For example in America before the european conquest, some Indian societies were extremely free and others, such as the Incas, had institutions very similar to modern totalitarianism, yet their material level was very different to today's, and not very different from each others. Again the Germanic tribes that conquered England had very high levels of liberty, yet were terribly poor, and the Icelanders of Saga period Iceland were very free, yet very poor.
Trying to build a free society by screaming loud what the "natural" rights are supposed to be, has no better chances of success than [...]
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