All the talk about Escrowing of keys by sepeerate agencies is all well and good. However, to be really secure, the computer system they reside on, and all access to it, must be in some way very public and very very limited. The public needs to know that at least one of the key-pairs, can in no we be retrieved except through some very public process. That law enforcement or some cracker doesn't have some back order into teh Escrowed Key Server... As as somebody else pointed out, once my key is know ALL my communication is now "OPEN." Not just what they got a warrent for. Thus, the actual opening of my "mail/voice/etc" should be done in more, again very public place, so they my key-pair (and the cost of replacing it if the warrent is unfounded) is kept secure and never in the hands of any person or agency. In other words, I don't want my key-pair sitting in a non-secured database, to re-used latter (with or without a warrent.) If the key-pair is turned over to someone/agency and I am not found quilty or indicted, etc. I need to be told so I can change my keys, or even have the government pay me for this cost as they have un lawfully taken the value of my Clipper based device away from me. /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991