The Solidaros movement was a democratic movement where they wanted to impliment a government that had representation and guaranteed civil rights (I don't know exactly how far along they've come). But at no point was their goal the continued management of speech, work, income, etc. through a central government mechanism. That was precisely my point: socialism doesn't necessarily mean centralised statism, wage controls or limited speech. Its roots are in democratic organisation, and Solidarity was an example of that. Bolshevism took the idea of 'power to the people', capitalised that last noun, and redefined it to mean 'the vanguard revolutionary party.' You always know you're screwed when perfectly innocent words are capitalized. Church, Property, Patriotism, Strong Goverment, History, Socialism, what Joyce called 'those big words that make us so unhappy.' BAD comparison. The Fortune 500's can't kill me and they can't throw me in jail for not buying their products or participating in their programs. Well, they might pollute you to death, but they haven't got firing squads. In the States. South Americans or Africans might have a different story to tell. Consider the depredations of Shell in Nigeria. All the best Tiarnan