On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, Tim Scanlon wrote:
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:24:56 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Scanlon <tfs@adsl-122.cais.com> To: Stephen Boursy <rent_control@msn.com> Cc: aga@dhp.com, freedom-knights@jetcafe.org, cypherpunks@toad.com, dave@kachina.jetcafe.org, declan@well.com, ifc@pgh.org Subject: Re: Censor John Gilmore -- EFF is a disgrace!
Stephen Boursy wrote, along with a horde of others with no lives: [lots of worthless crap snipped out]
None of that analogy is applicable to the cyberpunks list. When a list gets as big as that, it it no longer to be considered a "mailing-list" but it is a _public_ forum. The whole problem here is the abuse of power by both the EFF and John Gilmore.
It's not an abuse of power. It was an effort to curtail inappropriate SPAM. Much like this entire topic has become non-crypto SPAM on the cypherpunks list.
No it was not SPAM. John Gilmore attacked Vulis's style, plain and simple. Next time I see John GilMore, I will call him a censorous motherfucker in public.
Well then let's put their precious censored mailing list in the public domain.
Hmm, above that you tried to argue that it wasn't a list, but a "public forum", logicly then you state that it is allready in the "public domain". Then you turn around and say it isn't, and should be taken from a private forum into the "public domain". Perhaps if you stopped ranting, you might realize your mistake.
You missed the whole fucking point, and I ain't going to waste time saying it again.
Wrong! The cyberpunks mailing list is PUBLIC property and should NOT be controlled by John Gilmore! This just goes to show the real facist censorship motives that the EFF has behind it.
Ahh, but you previously said it wasn't public property. That aside, just because you say it is, doesn't mean it's so. Now I realize that up there at MonopolySoft, that sort of logic actually works, but in the real world it doesn't. The content may very well be "public property" as such, but the list itself, and where it resides are not public property.
Time to kill the EFF, and let it rot in hell. They are disgrace to the entire InterNet community. I run 6 different mailing lists, and have NEVER puled the plug on anyone, even when they criticize me.
Please, the EFF is NOT a Cypherpunks organization. They may share some of the same goals, but they arn't the same. This should be obvious to even the most logicly deficient. Oh, and it's spelled "internet",
No it is not, asshole! That is the old way of doing things. It is NOW and always will be the "InterNet" -- I helped build the motherfucker in 1969, I should know. and when use inside a sentance, it isn't
capitolized, no matter what Bill tells you.
No, it is capitalized, because Grubor tells you. The name is the GruBoursyNet.
And if you pulled the plug on any of your 6 lists, the members would have the option of reforming another list someplace else, but it would be YOUR OPTION to pull the plug, unless you were "only" the adminstrator, and not the list "owner". John owns the list in the classic sense. (Ok I realize I may have lost you there Mr. "InterNet", but the way it works is that either organizations or individuals own lists, in this case it's an individual.)
The first time is the time when you lose all credibility, and there is never any forgiveness for a plug-puller.
All bullshit aside, this whole thing has NOTHING to do with crypto. And it has very VERY little to do with censorship either. And it's gotten way, way out of hand. I suggest that it might be better not to spam cypherpunks with this stuff, and to give it a rest. Between
I never would join that mailing list, because it is all a bunch of shit. The EFF must die, and that is all there is to it.
the 2 lists & various people I see represented here, with all due & serious respect, you folks have GOT to have better, more important, and far more deserving issues to devote your time to. I would hope that you would take a few moments and think about those things, and consider acting appropriatly in light of those thoughts.
Tim Scanlon
Look Tim, you ain't even on the IFC or the F-K lists, so what the fuck do you care anyway? Just go publish this shit on UseNet, like Mr. Boursy says you should do, and stop bothering our mailing lists. Stupid pervert cabal.cocksucker, I bet. Does John Gilmore suck tale's cock, too? -aga