On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
If they were antithetical then as freedom increased security would freedom. My concern is that if we ignore security we will have no freedom left to protect. at different points. I don't believe that security is the enemy of freedom. I believe that freedom needs security in order to exist at all. You will pardon my asking this, but, security from what? Who are the evil Network Terrorists throwing Bit Bombs or whatever? The only security you need on the internet is keeping your site from being broken in to, which is mostly a matter of setting it up
CyberAngels Director : Colin Gabriel Hatcher writes: properly. What, exactly, is the "Security" that you are offering us?
Let me grab my other .sig here: Postmodernism is the refusal to think--Ron Carrier petro@suba.com Deconstruction is the refusal to believe that anyone else can either Freedom of choice is what you have, freedom from choice is what you want. -- DEVO The last line is the relevant portion here. Just as there is freedom to, there is freedom _from_. I think that the same thing could be said for Security. On one hand you have the security to leave your house, safe in the knowlege that the majority of your stuff will be there when you return, and the security to walk the streets without the fear of getting attacked. On the other hand some would have the security of knowing that _no one_ is downloading dirty pictures, the security that the "wrong" person is not getting their hands on dangerous information etc. With freedom, as we all learned in philosophy 101 (wether in college or just life) there is freedom TO--such as freedom to move to another country, the freedom to exchange ideas without constraint, in other words the freedom to do things--and the freedom FROM--from hunger, from fear, freedom from failure, freedom from being challenged, freedom from choice. People like the CyberAngels, are definately (IMO) on the side of the freedom FROM, rather than freedom TO, and their security is the the enoforced security of a prison, or a police state. True Security, like freedom cannot be enforced or given from without, it must come from within. With freedom this is self-explanatory, no one can set you free, you have to do it. Security is the same way. One must be secure in ones beliefs, or one will be constantly troubled by "threats" to those beliefs. Witness the "Christian Right" in this country. Physcial security works the same way. If one takes care of ones community, working with ones neighbors etc., and applying social pressure to those who potentially threaten your physcial security you will live in a much healthier, and less dangerous enviroment (yeah, this is a little simplestic but you get the idea). Petro, Christopher C. petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> snow@crash.suba.com