That all depends on your definition of sovereign. After all, "we" put, or at least helped, that monster into power. No different an action than we the many times before putting tyrants into control of small, but important nations under the guise of "protecting democracy." So, while he was our puppet, he was the good guy, and no matter how many he murdered, he was a benevolent leader. Once he turned on our interests, he was no longer useful and had to be removed. It just took Jr. to do it. Now, we'll put a different "democratic" government in place. Of course, it won't be as free as the USA, nor have the same kind of constitution - that would be a problem since we couldn't control it's oil. Nothing new, nothing to be surprised about. We couldn't give a fuck less if Sadam was given an anal probe on TV, or if he was put in the colliseum for donkeys to use as a sex toy, as in Roman times. As entertaining as it would be for some, it's utterly unimportant. Pax Americana will march on. We have their oil - we can throw some crumbs to some other "friendly" countries of the COW, and lesser crumbs to those who complained, but the rest is just meaningless green colored icing on the cake. The war on terror itself will go on for as long as the voters will tolerate it, or until it's true goals succeede and it becomes impossible for the voters to do anything but accept it - or be disappeared in the middle of the night... Not much different than in Stalin or Hitler's days. Perhaps a democrat will make it back in power again, but that too is meaningless, as the infrastructure for the super surveillance, terror police state is already in place and won't likely go away. It no longer makes a difference, even if a few of the teeth of the DHS are removed... people will still be disappeared in the middle of the night, warantless searches, secret shadow trails, et al. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD. \|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Jim Dixon wrote:
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The evidence points to deep ties between Russia, France, and Iraq that goes back decades, plus somewhat weaker ties to China and Germany. Relations between the US and Baath-controlled Iraq were bad from the beginning; American bodies dangling from ropes in Baghdad were not the beginning of a great romance.
And all of this is meaningless: we simply had no right to invade a foreign, *sovereign* nation.