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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:23:43 -0500 From: Petro <petro@playboy.com> Subject: RE: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the Foregone (fwd)
So leaders should be able to do whatever they want within their own borders w/out the possibility of being held responsible for what they do to citizens of other countries who just happen to be visiting?
Absolutely. It's what is meant by indipendent nation. It's between the leaders and the citizens.
What about rule by law?
What about it? I don't believe in one world governments, it's a bad idea. Within the confines of a given country there should be a rule of law, that rule should not necessarily be the same as any other country. And other countries should most definitely NOT have a say in it. Do you want Germany having a say in our laws (for example)?
That was not the point, the point was about black market goods.
No, the point was about freedom of choice.
So then you admit you were lying about the deaths and blindness being the cause of regulation, since you claimed it happend in the late 1800's & early 1900's, but the regualtion and taxing went all the way back to the middle ages?
Taxing went on, the regulation of alcohol production didn't occur in this country until after the Civil War. Taxing alcohol is a whole different issue than regulating the quality and methods of production, and is most certainly not equivalent to regulations on where it might be sold and under what conditions.
It prevents businesses from using the Press to manipulate the government into doing something about a problem that doesn't exist.
No it doesn't. The press is a business, and if you don't think they don't try to manipulate more than the government you're in for a surprise. There are cases of the press being manipulated because of the impact of certain story presentation lines on their income.
whistle-blowers and 'social do-gooders' to get their message out (unless they're well heeled and don't mind loosing it all in the process).
That is already/still the case. You piss off the wrong people, you die.
Actualy not, there are a variety of whistle-blower laws on the book at every level. Also the number of whistle-blowers who are killed currently are pretty small (name 3). A lot of them loose the jobs they blew the whistle on but that is many cases is to be expected (after all if the issue is important enough the business will cease to exist).
put any sort of limit on its expression.
It INHERENTLY recognizes it, and inherently limits it.
No it doesn't, it does not in any way prevent abuse and further provides no mechanism for the restitution or correction of that abuse.
No one has the power.
THAT'S THE POINT.
No, the point is that whoever is the most ruthless will get ahead. If you don't think that is power then you should sit and think.
Some agendas can't be pushed thru business, or at least not the same way.
Such as? Greed and profit always can be pushed through business, it's what they do.
If I got them legally, they were a legal commodity, if I dispose of them legally, they move from the "white" market, to the "black" market.
Which requires that yot mislead the doctor as to why you want them.
The fact that not everything on the black market was stolen ISN'T the point, the point is that there can be things on the black market that aren't stolen, and aren't inherently illegal (tomatoes, vicadan, alcohol) but are still part of the black market because of the nature of the market and the legal system.
Why would anyone buy a commenly available item on the black market when they could go to the corner store and purchase it? They won't. People who are involved in the black market are there for profit. If they go down to the store and buy say tomatoes at $2/lb. whey would they sell them to you at $1.75/lb? They wouldn't. The alcohol and cigarettes you buy on the black market lack tax stamps are have bogus stamps. Why? Becuase the cost is much lower without the added tax and legitimate distribution expenses.
FUCKING BULLSHIT. YOu JUST brought introduced your thesis that even if most stuff isn't actually stolen, then it is bought with money gained by theft in your last post on this issue.
Before that you were maintaining
that everything on the black market had to be stolen, and in fact this
No, go back - I never said that. I have continously said that the majority of items on the black market are related to a stolen service or product. I stand by that statement. I'd go on but it's been a long day and I'm in no mood for this petty bickering. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------