Are you serious? Are you an American? Your views on the nations foreign policy make no sense for those logical Americans who know the good in what this nation does and stands for.
No. not "Pay off", just leave the fuck alone. We had this one coming. In fact, we had this coming _in spades_, and for a _very_ long time. What goeas around comes around, ya? We kill _millions_ of innocent civilians unjustifiably, and then have the GALL to complain when our own tactics are used against us???
'Complain'? "We kill millions of innocent civilians unjustifiably"? Give me a break, Americans are not the DEVIL, this sounds like something the only the devil himself would do. To kill millions of innocent civilians; this is not the American Foreign Policy, never was and never will be. The real American Foreign Policy, not the garbage propaganda you've obviously been reading: Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of
these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I
saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. - Canadian Newspaper (unbiased source)
Your words have sickened me. Even if atrocities like you say did take place, I'm sure they were done for a good reason; your still here aren't you? Living on the freest soil on earth. I think a thank you is in order, not a diatribe loathing the very government and people that gave you that ugly soap box your standing on. Ben Weber Senior Recruitment Consultant Information Security Practice Greythorn Inc 425 635 0300 ben.weber@greythorninc.com www.greythorn.com -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- This e-mail may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is for the intended recipients only. In the event that you receive this e-mail in error you should delete it from all locations on your computer/network and contact Greythorn immediately on + 1 425 635 0300. As e-mail is an electronic form of communication the data may have been subject to corruption or unauthorized use and as such any views or opinions contained in this e-mail are not necessarily the views of Greythorn Inc and the company cannot be held responsible for any misuse. -----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@toad.com]On Behalf Of measl@mfn.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:46 AM To: attila! Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: where do we go from here (and where should we have gone) On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, attila! wrote:
The time for a massive one-shot 'retaliation' has passed --it should have been done within the hour.
Change "the hour" to "an hour or two", and I would agree with this. However, we have an incredible bloatocracy, and about the only thing that can be coordinated within an hour or two nowadays is a blowjob from the intern...
Terrorists are a special case. Bin Laden is following the playbook of the old Chinese master, Sun Tzu: kill one man and you terrify 10,000. Terrorists can only be eliminated by turning the people against them with pain and suffering --eg: 18 million Iraqis all do not wish to be martyrs when the chips are down. If we had taken out Iraq and Afghanistan, we should have smiled and said: "Next?"
And here is where you completely part with reality, and start regurgitating the carefully crafted bullshit you have been fed by this bloatocracy. The fact is, we have already killed many more than the 18 million you cite, and *that* is one of the many reasons we are so loathed, both externally, and internally.
Today's Federalist article was the strongest (and most rational) I have seen --their bottom line is part of what I demanded yesterday: Afghanistan becomes molten silicon.
Yup, sure *sounds* rational alright like a guy on Ketamine.
What do we do now? Probably slide down the slope of the talking heads as the Left criticizes Bush's lack of decisive leadership (and U.S. intelligence failure) and permits the UN to convene to condemn the terrorism, but even more strongly condemn U.S. foreign policy for creating the world problems which brought forth the terrorist response --in other words, the U.S. must pay off the radical Islamists.
No. not "Pay off", just leave the fuck alone. We had this one coming. In fact, we had this coming _in spades_, and for a _very_ long time. What goeas around comes around, ya? We kill _millions_ of innocent civilians unjustifiably, and then have the GALL to complain when our own tactics are used against us???
But even more pernicious, few Americans will trust the government to protect them or represent them in the world.
You mean there were such fools *before* this happened???
Sorry, George, I thought you were more of a man.
Bzzzt. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------