Having been recently acquainted with cypherpunkography, I have been rolling around the idea of setting up a local group rather like the original in Cal. Lest ye laugh, Utah happens to be a heckuva place to worry about privacy, intrusion, et al...although it comes from both having a fairly silly state government (they're finally trying to strike down a law which automatically invalidates any marriage in which one of the partners has AIDS..., fer example), and the fact that many here feel that the aura of the Mormon church is somewhat weighty -- no comment either way, just pointing it out... ANYWAY, if there are any other cypherUtahns on the list interested in getting together monthly or so for an evening of pizza, beer, Jolt, milk, potentially subversive activity, and cookies (wonder if the NSA monolith dropped a flag on that one ;-) ... drop me a line. I know of at least 4 very talented and potentially committable persons who'd also be highly interested. My girlfriend, OTOH, will most likely roll her eyes, call me a geek, and head for the shoe department at Nordstrom. Also of potential interest, my BBS has a couple of areas on cryptography, other "Sneakers"-type issues, as well as VR, cyberspace, and programming. Drop by sometime: SENSE/NET (801) 364-6227 2400-9600 Andrew asc7556@u.cc.utah.edu NOTE: my opinions are too silly to be shared by my employer.