Um, thats *five* cuts. And not random cuts either - they are specifically targetting both sides of the rings. This is someone who truly understands the tech - they are not just cutting random cables, they are cutting the right cables in the right sequence. I have been having an offline talk with a small group since this started, and none of us believed it was "random" after cut #4, and I am pretty certain everyone of us believes it's a pro. The question is *who*? The parche is in fact decomm'd (one of the group checked on it's pyhsical status); and there are only two countries suspected of having the required type of sub (Israel and Russia) besides the US. I would have thought Israel but for the heavy targetting of French property, and I cant find any reason for it to be Russia other than there is nobody else. Of course, I dont see what the various spook facilities do, so who knows, maybe everyone has sea-floor open to the water cable subs docking these days? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter? Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops to another country, kill men, women, and children? You just can't wear your religion on your sleeve or just go to church. You should be truthfully religious. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Tyler Durden wrote:
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:21:26 -0500 From: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> To: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart@pobox.com>, cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net Subject: RE: undersea cable cuts
There's been lots of net speculation about maliciousness, but for me the odds of 3/4 failures of undersea cables in such a relatively small area and over such a short amount of time is extremely suspicious, particularly given how robust such cables are. (ie, there's maybe a dozen in the whole world at any one time, over millions of route miles).
Whether these are JbT-type terrorists is, I think, doubtful given the revenues traveling over these things and particularly how ineffective the cuts were. The cuts certainly appeared to me to be attempts to get a working+protect sides of fiber rings by people who didn't have access to that level of detail about how the rings are deployed over the wavelength/fiber/cable pairs.
-TD
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:05:07 -0800e> To: cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net> From: bill.stewart@pobox.com> Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts> > > Hadn't heard this was malicious ... you have a reference?> > The fourth failure turned out not to be a cable cut,> just some kind of equipment power problem.> > Certainly once the third cut happened,> things look pretty suspicious even if they don't turn out deserve it.> And there are different kinds of terrorists out there -> the ones that wear government uniforms (or wear cheap suits> but work for governments) don't always take the credit themselves.> > At 07:35 PM 2/4/2008, Sarad AV wrote:> >'terrorists' take credit and are proud of their actions.> >nothing of that kind has happened yet.> >I guess that satellite communication is another alternative.> > Satellites have very limited bandwidth compared to fiber.> They may be ok for countries that don't have useful infrastructure,> like Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of Africa,> but they don't begin to replace the internet or private network connectivity> that was on the fiber systems that were cut;> I don't know how big the fourth cable was.
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