On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Tim May wrote:
How does this apply to rights?
Let us take as an example the contentious issue of "parent's rights," "children's rights," and societal issues involving schooling, child abuse, indoctrination into the body politic, citizenship, etc.
* Viewpoint #1: Parents have absolute control of what their minor (under some age, usually 18 and/or resident in their homes) children read, watch on t.v., listen to on the radio, etc. They can control the comings and goings of their minor children, whom they may associate with, etc.
Specious, 'control of' is not 'responsible for', neither does 'right to decide for' equate to 'absolute control of'.
* Viewpoint #2: Children, even minor children, have certain basic rights to access to information, access to t.v., radio, music, and books. Even access to crypto!
If for no other reason that you can't control a child 24/7 unless you do something like stick them in a closet. The consequences of this (as exemplified by regular CNN cover stories) are easily understood, the child is removed from the parent.
* Viewpoint #3: The State and/or Community has an interest in the upbringing of a child and may take steps to direct the education and exposure to information of children, even in contravention of the wishes of parents.
See responce to #2, only if it can be shown that to do otherwise would harm the child. For example, children must attend school, but it doesn't have to be a public school, and it doesn't have to be a private school.
There are of course various shadings of these viewpoints.
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