off. Without the export restrictions we would see much more crypto sold and used inside the US. I'll bet there are lots of cypherpunks who are holding off releasing crypto tools because of these laws. Look at the guy who said he had to go to Canada to release his crypto. And he had to stop thinking about it when he was in the US. This is crazy. Yes, it is stupid to have a law that using crypto makes a crime worse. But this is not that bad compared to some laws. It won't affect most people. With the export restrictions gone, the green light will be given to make crypto available everywhere. Every data transmission will be encrypted, and people will be protected. It might even be that the criminal part will be shut down by the courts. Once crypto is everywhere, it will be impossible to do anything without using crypto. The law would then be like a law which said that breathing air while committing a crime will be illegal. I'm sure the lawyers could come up with a reason why this kind of a law will be unconstitutional. At this point the SAFE law looks like a good one. Everyone said that there was no way to stop the FBI from putting in the restrictions, but they were stopped. Now everyone says there is no way to get a good bill out of the Senate, or past the president. People are missing one point. We are right. Stopping people from using crypto is completely the opposite of the basic principles of this country. Look at all the groups which came out against the amendment to SAFE. The ACLU, the religious right, the NRA (how often do you see them working together?). Business executives, law professors, technical experts. If this coalition can hang together and support the bill in its current form, the SAFE law still has a chance at success. Probably not this year because there is not time, but next year they should try again. Getting rid of these export restrictions would produce an explosion of Cypherpunk style crypto software. It is a big win. "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com