On Wed, May 21, 1997 at 12:50:02AM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 11:13 PM 5/20/97 -0700, Kent Crispin wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 1997 at 04:23:10PM +0000, Attila T. Hun wrote: [...] "Power corrupts..." isn't a property of governments, it is a property of individual human beings.
Mostly. But you're presumably advocating government by humans.
Strictly speaking, I don't advocate government. Rather, I think that government is innate to the human species. Chimpanzees and Baboons have a political/social power hierarchy -- it's ubiquitious among higher primates. In fact, it's common among a great many different kinds of animals. Humanity has a much more complex and evolved power hierarchy, to be sure, but the same fundamental psychological motivation -- a "will to power", if you will -- is present.
And while government is an abstraction of the activities of a lot of individual humans, governments do tend to accumulate and abuse power, and tend to reach a point where they're more interested in maintaining and increasing that power than in
Yes, that tendency does seem to exist. There's an analogy to gravity organizing matter in clumps -- each individual bit of matter contributes to the overall effect; each individual human being contributes their bit of power hunger to the mix.
any legitimate activities like protecting life, liberty, and property.
Who decides what are legitimate activities for government? Either the "elite" or the "sheeple", or some combination thereof? Strictly speaking, I think the "legitimate activities for government" is meaningless -- ultimately governments *always* define their own legitimacy. To precisely the extent that you are able to effectively discuss the "legitimate activities of government" you are in fact participating in the power struggle, which means you are part of the real government (just a small faction perhaps...) Note that the cryptoanarchy electronic money agenda is just another power play that uses privacy rhetoric as a smokescreen for it's real purpose, namely, empowering an elite. Money, after all, is a powerful weapon.
Consider the drug war, the military-industrial complex, the fraction of your income that's paying for government, and compare that with 200 years ago...
The drug war is an expression of collective idiocy, IMO -- one of many. The military-industrial complex is a good, concrete example that government and society are inseperable. The point about the fraction of my tax dollars -- the fact of the matter is that we are all *much* better off than we would have been 200 years ago, that society as a whole is more productive, and as indivuals we get far more back from the society/government we live in than we could ever possibly contribute. "The System" as a whole could be more efficient, certainly, but it's hard to make meaningful comparisons with things 200 years ago.
Also power _attracts_ the corrupt, and the corruptible. As Henry the K said, it's the ultimate aphrodisiac.
Which is obvious, if you look at the primate origins. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html