-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 30 Nov 1996, Dale Thorn wrote:
Tired.Fighter@dhp.com wrote:
On 30 Nov 96 at 13:10, Black Unicorn wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Greg Broiles wrote:
I don't see any reason why this wouldn't be true for a computer. Fed.Rul.Crim.Pro. 41(b)(1) allows the seizure (but seizure is not forfeiture) of "property that constitutes evidence of the commission of a criminal offense".
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Please forgive my naivete, but are there no legal weapons available to the 'victims' in such cases? I'm passingly familiar with the Operation Sundevil fiasco -- i.e., with the outcome re the principal 'charges'. I'm appalled, however, at the apparent lack of remedies for return of such seized property. Are individuals who find themselves in such a predicament simply at the government's mercy (there's an oxymoron for ya)??
Just in case someone replies saying "It's not all that bad", or "It can't happen here", etc., you should know this:
The United States government has not been responsive to the people for a long time, but what's become evident in recent years is that they're also no longer responsive to basic law and order.
They do respond to extreme pressure, as was applied in the Weaver, Waco, and other similar cases, but, as a general rule, they do whatever they want all the way to the top of the Justice dept. with impunity.
Example: George Bush's old pal at the Wash. DC P.R. firm hires the niece(?) of a Kuwaiti official to testify in front of Congress in full view of the American people on television, that the Iraquis were throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait, thereby securing the necessary votes in Congress to prosecute the Gulf War.
When it was discovered (after the "war") that the Incubator Baby Scandal was a lie, nobody was prosecuted. Further, in blatant violation of the
Unfortunatly, the law doesn't say that the government _must_ prosecute, only that it can.
was a lie, nobody was prosecuted. Further, in blatant violation of the U.S. Constitution, Bush and Schwartzkopf were knighted by Queen Elizabeth II of England.
This is not a violation of the Constitution. The Constitution specifies that US civil servants (or whatever we intend to call them these days) cannot be knighted by a foreign country for services rendered to that country. So it would be [possibly] illegal for them to have been knighted by Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, but not illegal (in this instance) for them to be knighted by England.
There are also numerous examples of the Justice dept. being caught red- handed forging documents to frame people for whom they had no evidence or insufficient evidence to prosecute, and what happens in those cases? Nothing.
Good point. --Deviant PGP KeyID = E820F015 Fingerprint = 3D6AAB628E3DFAA9 F7D35736ABC56D39 You know you've been spending too much time on the computer when your friend misdates a check, and you suggest adding a "++" to fix it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMqGTTTCdEh3oIPAVAQElTgf+Mcq1JyTfXTCH+cTNZ7oix1plkL3fiFNG Zl1Is0L2es3RuXd8IybY3M2GKa+8smph9xejl4z5slCG2k0Geb1NfbluckpAVY6T xE+QwxNtF7UVLhqaOCuB1b7jtMRAlOyucwrjrVb0D0N1BiPQJb9zroVSmh0Pp2Ry uFog0kbn1Ox8HTmjzxu5KEOYNvHX2DK1tQG6FmhdhChoprWGutjvwULvW5I+WOKT TLDfzLbpRYsJNQDbB4F8W64fI+kNTJxqONMac8FryOEXMhfNFAg+xXrXZoKA7o1X VuoKy7ZyFaYXbBHbaUlxVFU/KKrU9XbRPvL6YU7W3zo1AJo2MBLoCQ== =mI5X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----