It is possible for you to receive a freeze order that will compel you to maintain referenced records. These orders (generally received prior to a pending subpoena) can be rather general, so this generally serves the purpose of preventing you from going on a shred/rm/wipe/degauss spree before the authorities get what they want from you. However, I do know of at least one case where someone challenged such a document on the basis that it was obtuse. Can't cite off the top of my head, though. If you would like to see some copies of documents that are generally used by feds to accomplish these goals, let me know. I will see if I can neuter some for reference purposes. ok, Rush -----Original Message----- From: Jim Choate [mailto:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 5:02 PM To: cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com Subject: Computer logs FindLaw doesn't show anything for 'computer logs'. Other than destroying them because they are evidence of a crime I am not aware of anything that might require anyone to keep them. There certainly wasn't any sort of requirement for folks like myself at the time of the CJ trial to keep records for any length of time. The flip side is that if you go around destroying all your logs as they are made the security of your system comes into question. ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------