regarding Tim May's whistleblower test:
I know you really wanted to post that nifty F-117A thing you OCR'd _somewhere_ but
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Gang, Much Cpunx mail is passing under the bridge and my boat is brimming, but I am bailing with alacrity. In this case, I prefer to view things as "half empty" (with apologies to Confucius), to wit: Eric Hughes contributed these [>>] kewl comments: that
was not particularly helpful.
I think it was extremely helpful. Especially when we are in a design phase, it is good to know just how strong a reaction there will be to some of these posts. It benefits us to have had the experience, not just an awareness of the problem.
Touche`, mon ami. I guess what I meant to say was "I'M not ready," which is different. I am getting ready-er. :-)
Someone suggested a set of WB guidelines should be posted.
Any guidelines must remain completely neutral about content of postings. A whistleblowers group is for expressing outrage.
And well should they be - neutral, that is. Any and all submissions to me at
A whistleblowers newsgroup must remain value-neutral with respect to all values except the freedom to speak.
Solid, baby. That's a 10-4, as long as the normal newsgroup guidelines such as adhering to the general topic-flow are inherently adhered to by all adherents (coherently, if possible).
Value neutrality must be taught; it will not come automatically.
Amen, however, once we achieve value-neutrality as a species we will either: [1] simultaneously enter the Kingdom of Heaven hand-in-hand and thus never need encryption ever again, rendering this entire discussion moot, or [2] perish in a vast and uniformly logical fireball of hitherto unimagined proportions Pick a scenario, any scenario, operators are standing by at 976-ARMAGEDDON. Self-fulfilling prophecies accepted upon receipt of your validated reality check-stub.
This, and the ability to teach the defense of privacy, are in the long run much more valuable than any one specific whistleblowing.
Perhaps so, but then one day, there may be that _one special whistle_ that gets blown, iykwim. That's the one I'M listening for, the "Big Fwee," as it were. Or as Bullwinkle might say to Rocky: "Give me Fweedom or give me Death." And now, here's something you'll REALLY like:
Nicholas Johnson, the former head of the FCC (under Johnson) Ralph Nader's organization Jim Settle (FBI Computer Crime Squad) a fellow from the CIA [his name's Ross Stapleton]
Dave mentions all these people are in favor of whistleblowing. The place where they can help the most is by affixing their signature to a document that defends the whistleblowers group in advance of "problems" with it.
Speaking of Boris & Natasha, with the _specific exception_ of the "fellow
from
the CIA" whose name I did not mention at his express request (| open mouth;
insert keyboard; repeat | Eric) and will not herein verify 'identity-wise'
(regardless of Mr. Hughes' dental bills), the above-mentioned entities are
well-intentioned and supportive of the WB idea in general and might well help
out with signatures affixed to such a predefensive document. The Devil's in
the
Details however, and they may balk depending on how "mature" that document
is.
We can gather a lot of support beforehand, so spread the word now and have
people email me at
If we can gather enough signatures from a wide enough spectrum of the political process, the publication of the document alone will be worth press coverage. It might also be worthwhile to take out a few big ads in major newspapers and print a position paper.
Agreed, wholeheartedly. I am quietly trying to garner support from various left-leaning politcos as we type (She with the pugilistic name for one). I caution all that this is currently an "idea under development" and they are all post-nasal-Hip enough to regard it as such until we broadcast its availability widely. Needless to say, almost everyone I have spoken to about it is fairly-to-extremely enthusiastic about the idea and wants immediate access when it's online. I also plan to send a note to Billary Clinton when we have our schtick happening, so's the White House can tune in and listen to the crackle of disgruntled Govvamint Employees. Again submissions for the WB Guidelines and the WB Position Paper are strongly encouraged. Keep in mind that this is a positive, constructive outlet for the technology we're discussing on this list and a great opportunity for good press. And write lots of clever stuff so I don't have to, willya? :-)
[Re: comments from xxxxx Mistah CIA-mon xxxxx]
done "correctly," the system can 'perhaps be somewhat protected' from posting by pranksters/attackers with bogus revelations - it might require someone to preview postings
There's no need to preview anything. Let people say whatever they want. Then, should the CIA wish to confirm something, they can issue a statement with a digital signature attached to it, referencing the post in question.
I explained what the "nameless one from the CIA" had to say rather poorly. He was not proposing that his Agency have any previewing capabilities, although he ventured in the most generic terms the opinion that CIA Tech would be doing it's best to break the anonymity as soon as possible (anon remailer technologists take heed of the most subtle and pernicious attacks). Rather, what we discussed as two private citizens interested in Freedom of Speech and the Occasional Corrective Force applied to the Tiller of the Ship of State was more along the lines of:
Review and verification [...as was ably interpreted by E. Hughes...]
...by a Cypherpunk committee monitoring the WB list or _another group_ whose
charge is to evaluate claims by anon posters for their veracity and to
establish the reliability of such sources for future correspondence. I
ventured
that this would be far too involved for the Cpunks to deal with and that it
would have to be the responsibility of the interested parties in the media or
activist org's to verify anon WB claims. We can at best provide good
mechanisms
for them to use, IMHO. Furthermore, there was no implication that ANYone
would
edit postings (least of all the Certifiably Insane Agency), only that those
chartered with verification might scribble them into invisibility if it was
determined by the committee that the source was chronically unreliable.
Beware,
anon bombers and other nefarious monkey-wrenchers, lest you SLIP on your own
banana protocols.
This Verification Thing, by the way, is the single biggest issue with the
entire WB process and the one that frames encryption as an interesting
possible
solution to the problem of establishing successive levels of trust between
postees and verifiers (on top of the basic anon remail technology). More on
this later as Those Who Know Far More than I Do contribute their Wisdom.
IMPORTANT NOTE along those Lines: would all Cypherpunks who:
[1] run an anonymous service
[2] have new improvements to existing anon services
[3] have experience and/or the desire to actually run the WB remailer system
[4] know what a dingleberry is
...PLEASE make yourselves known to me asap so I can know who the players are
and co-ordinate who can be asked to provide what part of the process and
when.
There is no purchase necessary and no commitment for now, I just need to
build
a db of skills and volunteers. For this purpose ONLY, please mail me at