In <199609290153.UAA00354@smoke.suba.com>, on 09/28/96 at 08:53 PM, snow <snow@smoke.suba.com> said: A person going by the name Attila said: > There is a solution. Trade Schools, > The problem was simple: we have only the now retiring >toolmakers who make it all possible. engineering graduates will not >not observe the manufacturing floors since it is above their >dignity to roll of their sleeves. I knew too many engineering students to believe this. I knew one (Civil Engineering) who had been a Paramedic, he wanted grease and dirt on his hands, it may be harder to wash off, but much easier to sleep off. he's the exception, not the rule. I paid my way through Harvard as a tool and die maker --if the engineers had to make some of the crap they designed, they would design them that way again. > if engineers were required to serve internships in the shops, >as doctors are required to intern in a hospital (and the really good >ones, the top of the class, choose what I call meat-wagon wards >(large city ER and trauma units), the U.S. would be a far healthier >and competitive environment. No argument there. > I know, why the meat wagon wards with their pressure and >unreasonable hours? experience, anything and everything comes >through those doors every night, and it goes off the scale on the >weekends... Hell, that desciribes the ER I used to work in, and it was in a college town. (Yes, I do have a sorted job history. Everything from a strip joint dj. to working as a designer for a Big 7 Accounting firm). > It would also seem to > follow that if parents were spending their own money (or > perceived it as their own money) that they would take a greater > ânterest in their childrens education. > =. > ...if they were smart enough to start about age 3. the Better late than never. unfortunately, the conservative child care people believe the pattern may be irretrievably set by the age is six. you need to start with the child from the gate with the nuture --reduces fear of abandonment, &c. and encourage trust so they will go to others without a tantrum, &c. President Hillary, of course, believes in *her* global village with *her* central government dictating for all --community raising a generation of raison heads! --from day 1! > themselves after dark. (I do admit that one good scream would >have an extremely well-armed about to be posse out the door in 15 >seconds or less... --and, I doubt there would be prisoners!) you want a concealed weapon permit? --just go register. In my neighborhood, screams are so common (mostly from kids playing, and yes, I do check as often as I can) that most people don't bother to check. a scream of terror is a different scream. besides, we have 6 families in our 8-10 acre section --33 kids between us. and our air raid siren would be howling like an inbound kamikaze. Very different worlds. My wife and I are probably the only ones who _don't_ watch TV. We have 2, plus 5 computers, and 5 or 6 book shelves. The TV's were free, so were 2 of the computers. we're light on computers at the moment --only 3, and I need 3 more. bookshelves? 30 feet, floor to ceiling, packed. trying save enough to get one of the 7 CD rom up in parallel deals for the 8G freeBSD fileserver --OS/2 (merlin) workstations. stuff is expensive, even when you buy right. well, out here, probably 20% of the families did not have a TV; I gave the "message" one Sunday a couple months ago and the percentage has gone up. those who did have TVs have them severely restricted for content --there are no R movies tolerated --and most do not bring in a commercial signal --VCRs. the population base is changing with an influx of non-Mormons in town, so R rated are showing up at the theatres and video rentals in town. the police visible prescence is effective --a force of 50+ for a population base < 25,000, plus the county sherrif cars and the state police. Curfew is 10pm weekdays for minors --and they enforce it, big time. midnight Fri/Sat. > a very unusual situation --but I live in rural southern utah >where the regional middle school of 1200 can support 4 bands, > >and, where an average ward (100-150 families) will have at >least a dozen Eagle scouts. > proves your point, I guess... ...idle hands are the devil's workshop. you want good solid kids, you start from the gate and keep 'em busy: home, neighbors, school, church, etc. yes, you work hard for it --every day. I have 5, and it can be a real task with internecine warfare and all that good stuff. It starts at home and goes the route. there is no dead time on a streetcorner, or at friends house without a parent home. they do not date until they are 16 --in groups. boys and girls --the same rules. Prove? I don't know, but it is some pretty solid evidense. Communism at it's finest. A community of people who work together and take care of each other voluntarily for the common good. <hee hee> good thing you added the <hee hee> --half redneck republicans --half further right clinton, let alone communism, is a fighting word.... conspiracy theory is live and well. as far as anyone around here is concerned, Waco and Ruby Ridge were to establish a need for gun control, militia bans, privacy abridgements, CDA, crypto bans, &c. opinion on the government in the midst of OKC and TWA is moving into the positive range --and there is absolutely no doubt of Bubba's cocaine habit or the stink of Mena airport. BTW, the education level is way above the national average; not very many dummies out here. we do have an advantage: BYU is $3K/semester for LDS members, and you need 3.7 to 4.0 to get in. schools --if YOU don't support them, you and we don't have them! -- "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. . . . What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?. . .The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson, regarding anarchy.