Re: Education Be For Whitey

Ah. Well, again no argument here. As for Asians in America, let's just say I can be considered an expert on that subject. No doubt the difference in success rate between Asians (and not just Asian Americans, but fresh-off-the-boat Chinese or Vietnamese) and blacks has become conspicuous in recent years, and I agree says a lot about what ISN'T being done, or taken advantage of in the US by some groups. And until the Liberatarian utopia you speak of comes to pass, I still have the naivety to attempt discussing what kind of system (and realistically reachable from today's world) might actually lift as many blacks and white trailer trash out of their ghettos (in whatever form) and back into the workforce... I'd argue that this isn't statist per se, as the state will continue to exist for at least a little while longer. Of course, it might be argued that any attempt at reforming the state is inherently statist, but I'm not convinced that a cataclysmic meltdown is necessary. It seems to me only reasonable to attempt to make things better, while the inevitable unfolds, if it will. Which brings me to a sideswipe at the vehement anti-statists on the board...if something like crypto-anarchy is ultimately inevitable, then why bother "outing" the statists? Instead, to further the anti-state goals, it might actually be far more expedient to encourage said statists in their use and proliferation of strong crypto, thereby speeding the inevitable through the very same vectors that seek to delay it. Meanwhile, why not at least try to match the social 1st and 2nd derivatives so to as minimize the bloodbath that could occur if things unfolded badly? Call this back-handed optimism if you will. -TD

From: "Major Variola (ret)" To: "cypherpunks@lne.com" Subject: Re: Education Be For Whitey Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:07:52 -0800

At 04:58 PM 1/2/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:

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Nah nah Variola...I don't think you're getting me here. Or maybe you are...

We're not talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the importance of culture in valuing education, and how important education (aka personal capitalism) is.

You're talking about different things -schools not removing disruptives, and differences in this policy in poor districts.

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Now if you're saying that public schools shouldn't even exist...well...OK, whatever.

I don't know where you got that from, unless you're simply applying libertarian ideals (albeit a reasonable extrapolation for me). I would destroy publicly administered schools tomorrow, and put the money into competitive private schools, aka "vouchers".

In the long term libertarian utopia, govt isn't involved in funding (even lower) education of course, but I would put that last on my list of reforms, and note that eventually education can be funded in other ways.

In the short term, no govt employee should teach; a few govt accountants can write the vouchers. They shouldn't teach because of 1. conflict of interest (in teaching history, civics) 2. govt shouldn't be in the business of running schools, even if taxpayers continue to fund it 3. govt (and uncompetitive school bureaucracy) is inefficient whatever it does 4. govt curricula are swayed by politics, whereas with vouchers you can decide how you want Columbus et al. portrayed. (This distinct from 1.) 5. 1st amendment conflicts (ie compelled speech, compelled reading)

Obviously religious curricula cannot be payed for by vouchers.

And practically, the state would have to assure that vouchers paid are getting something for their money, esp. for home-schoolers, who should get voucher $ too. That doesn't mean a fixed curricula, just that you are literate and numerate by a reasonable age.

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