Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> writes:
On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
The friend and colleague of your whom you know says much about you. Yet another Net Loon. You action of posting a 48K spam to this list in attempt to get me upset has resulted in a single, half-felt yawn. Others may be pissed at your attempt at spamming me. I give not a shit.
Dr. Serdar Argic is a world-famous historian and Ray makes mistakes in English.
And both your points are totally irrelevant, if not outright wrong.
My original message to you stands: Vulis, grow up.
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Don't interfere with possible stego transmissions, Ray.
Vulis, this is your 2nd spam to this list which is totally unrelated to any cypherpunk issues. As this is totally off topic, flame mail, and spam, I suggest you grow up. Again my original message to you stand: grow up.
2nd, since you are bent on sending your flames to this list, I move to vote you off the list.
Have a nice day.
And I move to vote to legalize same-sex marriage. My good friend and colleague, the world-famous historian Serdar Argic, has cited these additional references concerning Ray Arachelian's criminal dandruff-covered grandparents: _Mitteilungsblatt_ Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6 Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi collaboration. A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation, is attention-getting. This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices. The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered _Aryan_ and what befell them. The Tzeghagrons (Armenian Racial Patriots -- Nazi Armenians) was the youth organization of the Armenians. It was based in Boston (where Muslim/Jewish Holocaust apologists of SDPA/Armenian Church are located) but had followers in Armenian colonies all over the world. Literally Tzeghagron means _to make a religion of one's race._ The architect of the Armenian Racial Patriots was Garegin Nezhdeh, a Nazi Armenian who became a key leader of collaboration with Hitler in World War II. In 1933, he had been invited to the United States by the Central Committee of the Armenians to inspire and organize the American-Armenian youth. Nezhdeh succeeded in unifying many local Armenian youth groups in the Tzeghagrons. Starting with 20 chapters in the initial year, the Tzeghagrons grew to 60 chapters and became the largest and most powerful Nazi Armenian organization. Nezhdeh also provided the Tzeghagrons with a philosophy: _The Racial Religious beliefs in his racial blood as a deity. Race above everything and before everything. Race comes first._[1] [1] Quoted in John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), _Armenian Affairs_ Winter, 1949-50, p. 19, footnote. The Armenians were deeply anti-semitic as well. In the May 10, 1936 edition of _Hairenik Weekly_ (an official mouthpiece for the ex-Soviet Armenian Government) the vice-mayor of Bucharest, Rumania is quoted as saying: _The Armenians helped us not to become the slaves of the Jewish elements in our country._ In another edition, an author named Captain George Haig writes: _And the type of Jew who is imported to Palestine...is not anything to be proud about. Their loose morals, and other vices were unknown to the Arabs prior to Balfour Declaration, on top of all communist activities were the cause of most of the Arab criticism._[1] [1] Captain George Haig, _The Case of Palestine_ in Hairenik Weekly, Friday, September 25, 1936. As amply admitted by the ex-Soviet Armenian Government, the Armenians were also fascist. Before Pearl Harbor, the Dashnak daily _Hairenik_ [an official mouthpiece for the ex-Soviet Armenian Government] (not to be confused with the Tzeghagrons _Hairenik Weekly_) expressed pro-Nazi sentiments: _And came Adolf Hitler, after herculean struggles. He spoke to the racial heart strings of the German, opened the fountain of his national genius, strock down the spirit of defeatism...At no period since the World War had Berlin conducted so realistic, well organized, and planned policy as now, since Hitler's assumption to power...And whatever others may think concerning Hitlerism and Fascism as a system of Government, it is proved that they have revitalized and regenerated the two states, Germany and Italy._[1] [1] _Hairenik_ official organ of the Dashnaktsuitune, Sept. 17, 1936; quoted in John Roy Carlson (see endnote 1), p. 21. During World War II, while the Turkish Government was giving asylum to many Jews fleeing from Hitler's tyranny, anti-Semitism engulfed the Armenian circles in the Nazi-occupied territories. A publication of the Armenian Information Service in New York, entitled Dashnak Collaboration With The Nazi Regime, purports to show that Armenian sympathies with racism had reached dangerous proportions. The following quotation from the Armenian daily Hairenik of 19, 20 and 21 August 1936 exposes something much more than prejudice and bigotry: _Jews being the most fanatical nationalists and race-worshippers... are compelled to create an atmosphere..of internationalism and world citizenship in order to preserve their race...As the British use battleships to occupy lands..Jews use internationalism or communism as a weapon..Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease. And when it becomes necessary for a people to eradicate them...these attempts are regarded revolutionary. During a surgical operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing...Under such conditions, dictatorships seem to have a role of saviour [1]._ [1] Quoted by James Mandalian: _Who are the Dashnags?_ Boston, Hairenik Press, 1944, pp. 13-4. In May 1935 the Armenians of Bucharest attacked the Jews of that city, while the Greeks of Salonika attacked the Jews in the August of the same year. During World War II, Armenian volunteers, under the wings of Hitler's Germany, were used in rounding up Jews and other ''undesirables'' destined for the Nazi concentration camps. The Armenians also published a German-language magazine, with fascist and anti-Semitic tendencies, supporting Nazi doctrines directed to the extermination of 'inferior' races [1]. This is confirmed by Armenophil Christopher J. Walker, who admits that the Armenians collaborated with the Nazis. According to him, members of the Dashnak Party, then living in the occupied areas, including a number of prominent persons, entertained pro-Axis sympathies. A report in an American magazine went so far as to claim that the Nazis had picked on the Dashnaktsutiun to do fifth- column work, promising the party an autonomous state for its cooperation. Walker goes on to claim that relations between the Nazis and the Dashnaks living in the occupied areas were close and active. On 30 December 1941 an Armenian battalion was formed by a decision of the Army Command (Wehrmacht), known as the 'Armenian 812th Battalion'. It was commanded by Dro, and was made up of a small number of committed recruits, and a larger number of Armenians. Early on, the total number of recruits was 8,000; this number later grew to 30,000. The 812th Battalion was operational in Crimea and the North Caucasus.(These are the dates and numbers given by Walker[3].) A year later, on 15 December 1942, an Armenian National Council was granted official recognition by Alfred Rosenberg, the German Minister of the occupied areas. The Council's president was Professor Ardashes Abeghian, its vice-president Abraham Giulkhandanian, and it numbered among its members Nzhdeh and Vahan Papazian. From that date until the end of 1944 it published a weekly journal, Armenien, edited by Viken Shant (the son of Levon), who also broadcast on Radio Berlin. The whole idea was to prove to the Germans that the Armenians were 'Aryans'. With the aid of Dr. Paul Rohrbach they seemed to have achieved this as the Nazis did not persecute the Armenians in the occupied lands [2]. [1] Turkkaya Ataov: _Armenian Extermination of the Jews and Muslims_ 1984, p. 91. [2] C.J. Walker: _Armenia_ London, 1980, pp. 356-8. _Emperor Romanus I Lecapenus, in about 935, again ordered the forcible conversion of all the Jews of Byzantium, leading to the murder of hundreds of Jews and the desecration of many synagogues throughout the empire. All the while Jews came under increasingly savage attack by Byzantine popular preachers and writers as well as by officials trying to stir the populace in support of the Crusading knights coming from the West to wrest the Holy Land from the "infidel Muslims". As a result, Emperor Andronicus I Comnenus (1183-85) again attempted to convert the Jews to Christianity, though by persuasion and argument rather than force. When Crusaders passed through Constantinople on their way to the Holy Land, they invariably were assigned to camp next to the Jewish quarters, particularly that adjacent to the Galata Tower, and usually spent most of their spare time attacking and killing Jews and stealing their properties. At the same time they stirred local populace to similar activities. It was at this time, also, that Constantinople's Armenians joined the Greeks in attacking Judaism for the first time. [1]_ [1] Yvonne Friedman, 'Antijudischen Polemik des 12 jahrhunderts', Kairos XXVI/1-2 (1984), 80-88. ''Blood libel accusations were made against Jews by Ottoman Christian subjects starting in the sixteenth century, most frequently in the Arab provinces, first at Jerusalem in 1546. The most famous Christian assault on Ottoman Jews in medieval times came in the central Anatolian town of Amasya some time between 1530 and 1540, when a blood-libel accusation against local Jews was spread by local Armenians who said that an Armenian woman had seen Jews slaughter a young Armenian boy and use his blood at the feast of Passover. Several days of rioting and pillaging and attacks on Jews followed...Later, however, the Armenian boy who supposedly had been murdered was found and the Ottoman governor punished the Armenian accusers, though nothing could be done about the Jews who had suffered.''[1] ''There were literally thousands of incidents in subsequent years, invariably resulting from accusations spread among Greeks and Armenians by word of mouth, or published in their newspapers, often by Christian financiers and merchants who were anxious to get the Jews out of the way, resulting in isolated and mob attacks on Jews, and burning of their shops and homes [2]. The attacks were brutal and without mercy. Women, children, and aged Jewish men were frequently attacked, beaten and often killed.''[3] [1] Stanford J. Shaw, ''Christian Anti-Semitism in the Ottoman Empire'', Belleten C. LIV, 68, p.1103 (1991). [2] Abraham Ben-Yakob (Jerusalem), ''The Immigration of Iraki Jews to the Holy Land in the 19th Century'', paper delivered to the First International Congress for the Study of Sephardic and Oriental Judaism, 27 June 1978. [3] Stanford J. Shaw, ''Christian Anti-Semitism in the Ottoman Empire'', Belleten C. LIV, 68, p.1129 (1991) By Andrew Sackser: Throughout history the children of Israel have suffered at hands of others. A people set apart from their neighbors by their faith, countless. Jews have often had to pay for this faith with their lives. There was, however, one haven where Jews did not suffer the large-scale persecution characterizing their entire existence. This haven was Turkey. For over five hundred years Jews have flourished there, enjoying relatively uninterrupted freedom and safety that has only been rivaled in America. This year marks the quincentennial anniversary of the ingathering of Jews to Turkey, and highlights one of the brighter chapters in Jewish history. ... Source: HIRHURIM - The Jewish Magazine of Brendeis University (Massachusetts). Vol. 1, No: 2, Spring 1992