On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
Exactly: those weren't the groups that made the real impact when it actually came to getting down to business and changing policy. Blame MKULTRA or whatever you want, but the bottom line is that they fell apart (and had their members killed or put in jail) whereas groups who didn't espouse violence continue to this day.
???? Black Panthers exist today... But they did provide a 'extreme viewpoint' and made it easier for the powers that be and more moderate groups to meet and make progress. A sort of implied 'or else'.
Without Ghandi, British policy would have taken a far different turn.
In your opinion...opining on alternate futures is rife with problems you seem to blithefully to ignore (at your own peril). Claiming omniciance isn't a convincing argument.
Violence hasn't exactly been a stunning success for the IRA, has it.
Actually I'd say it has, as a result of this civil war the chance of Ireland getting their independence sooner rather than later (how long do you figure the Brit's would have sat around if there had been no responce - till hell freezes over I'd suspect). Give a single example where absolute non-violence has worked...(there aren't any) It isn't in the human psyche to say "Well, we've oppressed them long enough, let them go free. We'll make our profits and express our civil authority some other way". -- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------