On 30 Sep 96 at 0:55, Moroni wrote:
I never cease to be surprised by the interest that gentiles show in working mormon communities while totally neglecting their own failing areas.
<rant on> I never cease to be surprised by Mormon apologists who refuse to look in the mirror at problems in so-called "working Mormon communities." I moved to Utah 2 years ago from Texas. Even though I am nominally Mormon (I haven't been to Church in years), it was still a huge culture shock to me. I think the thing that bugs me the most is the way the political system is dominated by a 500 lb. elephant known as the LDS Church. We Utahns sit in a room with this elephant that eats and s**ts and yet we don't talk about the fact that it's there. This is Utah for you...Utah where during the first legislative session I was here (1995) the legislature spent 42 out of 45 days talking about whether they were going to have tightened ethics laws. Where during the last legislative session (1996) the legislature spent 42 of 45 days discussing what to do about the fact that a few kids in one of the Salt Lake high schools wanted to have a gay/lesbian/straight club. NO MATTER that the schools are horribly overcrowded and that in some elementary grades 40-plus students per classroom is the norm. NO MATTER that teachers are horribly underpaid in a state with California-style costs. NO MATTER that despite a $100 million surplus the governor and the legislature can't see clear to get rid of the sales tax on *food*. NO MATTER that if anything terribly controversial (or even not so controversial) comes up, someone in the legislature feels like they have to sound out the Church to make sure that they don't cross Gordon B. Hinckley or Boyd K. Packer and endanger their Church membership. In the meantime, our legislators (with Church approval, these are Church "callings") run down to the prison at Point of the Mountain to "counsel" convicted child abusers and then pass laws to get rid of minimum mandatory sentencing. The roads are falling apart here, the schools are overcrowded. Gang violence is prevalent up and down the Wasatch Front. I heard about a gang-related murder in Layton last weekend. Up until a month ago, when the mayor of Salt Lake City closed the place and forced them out, there was a well-known open-air drug supermarket going on in Pioneer Park. Legislative leaders think that they're above the Open Meetings law. And liquor laws still are pretty backwards. (Gee, just last week places that sell beer actually got permission to put signs that say "BEER" instead of "BEE?" on their premises.) Thing is, Utah is generally a wonderful place to live. As I said, I used to live in Texas. It's great to live in a place where the economy is booming and there are jobs available. The crime rate is pretty low for an urban community (but there are sore spots, as I indicated above). The scenery is downright spectacular. And Salt Lake City proper is a pretty cool place. But I don't believe that Utah is immune to the problems that beset other cities. One thing that would help is for Utah opinion-makers to admit that not everyone who lives in this "pretty, great state" is a devout Mormon and/or a Republican. Not everyone shares the same values as the dominant religion, and they shouldn't have to. I apologise to the cypherpunks mailing list for this rant, but not everyone in Utah agrees with the view expressed by Moroni above. Deana Deana M. Holmes April 1996 poster child for clueless $cientology litigiousness alt.religion.scientology archivist since 2/95 mirele@xmission.com