Cypherpunks generously accommodates a lot of viewpoints and is not limited to laissez-faire capitalism, nor, as far as the archives show, any particular political/social/economic world view other than a polite, wordy, dissent against authority. It is a forum where a diverse range of possibilities are expressed, exhorted, denied, ridiculed, misrepresented, lied about, screamed murder in favor of, plonked, anonymized, and bone-headededly edventured. Narcissism happily rules, not laissez-faire, a minor variation. Now and then a cpunk ever so slightly hints that a tiny change of mind, or a thoughtful consideration of another viewpoint, are in the offing. But that openmindedness is rare, not only on cpunks, which after all is not terribly different from reality in which denial of other realities is exactly what pleasures. With respect for Tim's right to say what he likes, I doubt anybody here needs killing, except, in the rhetorical reality of this poly-lingual forum. Shouting about killing, well, my experience is that stone cold killers never tell you what they are going to do to you. The silent ones are scary, not the shakespeares who generously entertain, educate, edventure with imaginary tales of what if.