In> How can we differentiate cypherpunks to hackers? What are their In> attitudes, psychological thinking, main objective? It is interesting to note that while both groups have opposite objectives (Hackers want all information free, where cypherpunks want everbody to be able to have privacy), and yet in there own ways, they are both right. I think what we need to define is the diffrence between hackers and crackers. A hacker breaks into a computer like a cracker (but the similarities end there). The hacker just want to look and learn, possably "map out" the system just to see how everything works with everything else. Crackers break into computers for the sake of destroying or stealing information or the system itself. Both cypherpunks and hackers think that the government is wrong in many things that they do. P.J. pjn@nworks.com ... It would seem that evil retreats when forcibly confronted. - Excalbian ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]