Re: IPSEC == end of firewalls (was Re: (fwd) e$: PBS NewsHour, Path Dependency, IPSEC, Cyberdog, and the Melting of Mr.)

Nelson Minar writes:

I'm all for the end of ridiculous non-TCP/IP protocols, but does anyone believe this point about encrypted IP traffic eliminating the need for firewalls?

There is division in the IETF community on this point. Phil Karn (who I have the greatest respect for) thinks IPSEC means we can get rid of the firewalls. I, for one, don't -- they are there largely because people don't trust that their networking software is free of security holes, and cryptography doesn't fix security holes for the most part. Perry