Jim Choate's shadow

Long ago, I killfiled Mr CHoate. Once in a while, though, my inbox is filled with dreck, of which Jim in the indirect origin. Really guys, for the amount of noise Jim adds to the list, there are several of you who seem to amplify it nicely. I can "slot filter" Mr Choate via killfile, but the reverberation (which I can't filter) is becoming deafening. Woody (a lurker) ----------

From: Tim May To: cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com Subject: CDR: Re: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers & self defence Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001, 7:08 PM

At 8:35 PM -0500 7/23/01, Jon Beets wrote:

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Uhhh yes it will go through the safety glass.. Look at the pics.. One person had already put piece of lumber through it.. That was about a 15lb extinguisher... From what I can tell from the photos the protester DID intend harm to the police. Of course none of us were there so its really hard to know the truth..

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Choate" To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: A question of self-defence - Fire extinguishers & self defence

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Does throwing a fire extenguisher at a auto window constitution probable cause for lethal force in self-defence?

No. Because the fire extenguisher won't go through the safety glass.

First, "safety glass" is said to be "safety" because it tends to hold together instead of shattering into shards. It's not Lexan.

Second, anyone who has spent time in a wrecking yard knows things go through safety glass all the time.

Third, those of us who are old enough remember that Jayne Mansfield's head went right through the safety glass.

Fourth, disputing Choate about the physics of safety glass is as pointless as arguing with him over Gauss's Theorem, prime numbers, the First Amendment, the history of Europe, law, or anything else he has his peculiarly indisyncratic views about.

Fifth, if someone is trying to throw a fire extinguisher through either my front window or my side windows, I'm going to defend myself. I expect no less from the carabinieri.

--Tim May

-- Timothy C. May tcmay@got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns