Adam Shostack <adam@lighthouse.homeport.org> said: AS> The Wiesenthal center is very influential in Jewish circles. AS> Attacking them directly would probably be a bad idea, and create bad AS> associations for anonymity amongst Jews. (I'll come back to this.) AS> As always, the best answer to bad speech is more speech. Ken McVay, AS> and his Nizkor project, (http://nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) have been AS> involved in fighting hate speech, holocaust revisionism, and the AS> like for long time through archiving the big lies that revisionists AS> pump out, documenting the bogosity of their footnotes, showing their AS> contradictions, etc. Pointing out this, and other net resources AS> fighting anti-semitism is a much cleaner approach than attacking the AS> Wiesenthal center. Isn't this attacking, or at least opposing, them directly? AS> Someone noted the police stopping skinheads in Oregon-- I'll point AS> out that there is a substantial difference between talking and AS> randomly beating the crap out of people. The later is a fair basis AS> for action by police, although we may choose to question their AS> methodology. There is also a difference between stopping skinheads AS> and stopping blacks, in that the skinheads decided to wear clothing AS> and tattoos that identify them as skinheads, and thus may more AS> fairly be asked to bear the consequences. This is known as the "[S]he asked for it" argument, a widely discredited defense. If their _behavior_ doesn't indicate criminal behavior, and there isn't a report of a crime with suspects meeting their descriptions, there is no more excuse for hassling them than there is for hassling blacks, or hispanics, or.... Who knows, they could actually be a bunch of Marines (depending on the area). AS> Another approach might be to talk about the concept of identity, and AS> how dangerous mandating identity cards and papers can be. Jews in AS> Germany were tracked down via phone records, bank records, AS> membership lists of organizations (a lesson probably noted by the AS> NAACP in refusing to give Alabama its membership rolls, leading to a AS> supreme court case upholding the right of anonymous association.) And more recently used in Texas by the KKK, represented by a black (given the organization defended, I think that the race of the attorney is relevant) attorney from the ACLU. The attorney was subsequently removed as the counsel for the Texas chapter of the NAACP. -- #include <disclaimer.h> /* Sten Drescher */ 1973 Steelers About Three Bricks Shy of a Load 1994 Steelers 1974 Steelers And the Load Filled Up 1995 Steelers? To get my PGP public key, send me email with your public key and Subject: PGP key exchange Key fingerprint = 90 5F 1D FD A6 7C 84 5E A9 D3 90 16 B2 44 C4 F3 Unsolicited email advertisements will be proofread for a US$100 fee.