A thought just occurred to me, and perhaps I'm totally off base. But I've been watching both the prosecution and defense attorneys stumble over technical terms (London had no idea what a mailing list, Leen was talking about "encryptions"). Clearly Gordon has more of a clue[*] but that's not saying much. I suspect Usenet discussions are far more inflammatory than what happens on the cypherpunks list, but the prosecution is not veering in that direction at all. My suspicion is that it's just *easier* to monitor cypherpunks, and even tech-impaired IRS agents can figure out majordomo. Usenet takes more effort -- it's why I don't read it anymore -- and perhaps things would have been far different if the list went the alt.* route after the Great List Storm of '97. -Declan [*] Gordon is the aggrieved party (something like three of the five "stalking counts" are him claiming he feels threatened). He is also the lead witness for the prosecution. He is also the lead investigator during Bell I, Bell II, and Bell III. He is also the lead witness-management worker for the prosecution, telling lackeys when to bring the next witness into the courtroom. He is also the technical expert, bringing up digital photos and turning the courtroom screens on or off. He is the case-management guy, correcting London when the attorney doesn't know which house is which on the photo. But even though Gordon is a key witness, he is not sequestered. Even though he is the aggrieved party, he is the investigator. Even though he has personal animus toward the defendant, he seems in charge of the prosecution's case.