Hi all, to John Gilmore in particular... John I would like to use the incident I discussed with you in encrypted mail as a start to discussing what the technical/programmed threats to privacy on the Internet using just simple scripts and programs available on the Internet. I agree that is does range somwhat far from the usual fare of crypto but it began as a PGP-key-server to mailing list correlation and it definitely illustrates the current threat there is to privacy... I would like to use the toad.com site as an example while not revealing the list contents in the open posting due to personal feelings and ethics about privacy... how do you and the list feel about this new topic area... thanx and cheers kelly (oklahoma) goen p.s. The response I have gotten for my call to action has been gratifying indeed I will get back to everyone of you as time and preparation of the FAQ permits... I welcome ALL of your suggestions, critiques and help as well as pointers to programs and information... btw is "Digital Privacy" off the presses yet and if so where can I get a copy in the silicon valley area... best of luck to all the members of this list and thanx again... --------