I just spoke (on a 3DES secure phone--more on this later) to a friend, and happened to mention some posts on the list. He hadn't seen them. Turns out he's subscribed to cypherpunks@toad.com, and that site does not get traffic from the distributed sites. We've known this, but it bears repeating. Whenever I see "cypherpunks@toad.com" in a message I'm replying to, I change the "toad" to "algebra" (shorter than the other choices). So anyone subscribed to the toad.com address is obviously not seeing the bulk of the traffic going to algebra.com, cyberpass.net, and ssz.com. Unless toad.com wants to be part of the distributed system, it just ain't the best place to subscribe to. In other news, my Communication Security Corporation GSP8191 secure phone, with 3DES (168 bits, keys negotiated with D-H, Johnson noise used to randomize), works extremely well. A very slight hint of an echo, but almost perfect voice fidelity. This is from our own Eric Blossom, of course, and is being sold at his Web site, www.comsec.com. Very impressive. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."