I would like to agree with Tim May about the continued use of the term Cypherpunk. More than anything else it accuratly portrays us as people who do things a little differently. Some of my other associates feel similiar about the use of the term Cyberpunk. I am very curious about the physical nature of the so called "wiretap" chip itself. Recent postings about the exotic nature of it's construction have me wondering. Could there be a hardware backdoor into the chip? I was also considering the value of refering to the clipper as a "Sneaker chip" after the movie. This would have the advantage of revealing it's flaws and the organizations involed at the same time, in a format familiar to the general public. One last thing, my e-mail address is at well.sf.ca.us, but I reside in Chicago IL, I reach y'all via a gateway here at Ameritech, but it's strickly telnet, and ftp for now....... Brian D Williams Cyber/Cypherpunk